How much does a Canadian doctor earn


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As feared, compared to other western industrialized countries, German doctors are actually at the bottom of the list in terms of income.

Here's the proof:
Extract from the income study by the Department of Health, London, dated May 7, 2004 (2002 as the basis for calculation). After that it is
Average income of clinicians (including beginners, senior and chief physicians)

in Germany a comparatively ridiculous $ 45,960 per year ($ 35,465-56,465).

Australia $ 131,461 ($ 59,789-203,132)
Canada $ 135,756 ($ 117,197-154,315)
Denmark $ 61,257 ($ 49,278-73,236)
France $ 110,067 ($ 104,056-116,077)
Italy $ 77,857 ($ 74,300-81,414)
New Zealand $ 99,690 ($ 81,103-118,276)
Netherlands $ 119,604 ($ 64,053-175,155)
Sweden $ 56,680 ($ 56,543-56,816)
Spain $ 55,020 ($ 42,254-67,785)
UK $ 127,285 (only average of all clinicians known)
United States $ 216,553 ($ 165,112-267,993)

We are still in last place behind Spain!

Mind you, if there is no or extremely inadequate medical training and absolutely inadequate working time regulations at German clinics!

As an assistant doctor, the average income is of course the lower value, and very few of us are likely to become senior or chief physicians. But even the chief physicians are in last place in terms of income.

So much for the fairy tale that a doctor in Germany would be a big earner!

I will definitely go to Sweden as soon as possible, although you could earn more in other countries. As a doctor in Germany you don't have any real prospects for the future anyway, because emigrating is easier.

Greetings, Wolfgang

Well, well, somehow that doesn't surprise me ...
But is it actually the case that the US doctor's, admittedly, incredible salary remains ??? I mean, do you have to pay back the loans for your studies, expensive insurance, etc.?
Is it all just gross ??? Does anyone know what the doctors from the countries mentioned remain net of in the end? I would also be interested ...
Still, it is frightening how far imagination and reality diverge ... my friend is an industrial mechanic and I will definitely not earn more at the hospital than he does ... and by no means with 38 hours per week, but probably a lot more ... but what the hell. ..that was why we had the fun student days ... yup ...: -oopss
I just wonder what people would think if the doctors started fighting for more wages while the Opel and VW plants shut down ... that would make the myth about the Mercedes driver-and-cruise-vacationers even bigger Assume dimensions ... so what to do ???
Coordination with the feet is certainly a variant, but by no means feasible for everyone (family ties, language problems, etc.) ...
So, vote for me already ... I have to live with it, willy-nilly.
For many of us there is no alternative because we simply want to do the job ... the only good thing about it.
LG Lee

Thank you for this interesting information. I wonder whether the difference between assistant and chief physician in Sweden can really be that small.

But as a guide, this statistic is really interesting and speaks for itself.

Thanks! That encourages me in my plan to turn my back on this country, which I actually really like, at some point. Just ask what it costs if I take the Canadian exam :) Otherwise, USMLE incl. CSE.

I was also really flabbergasted when I found out what the internes (assistance fees) earn here! This statistic is of course awesome! Then let's go :-))

Hello,

how are the profit margins calculated? (Lowest earnings to highest earnings or +/- standard deviation)? Most of the pages of the US residency programs list annual salaries of around 40,000 USD (at least for pathology) in the first year! If you consider the price level in the USA, working hours, the dollar exchange rate, etc., at least initially you are not that much better than in Germany ...

Best regards,
John

Is there also a link? I'm somehow too stupid to find something and / or my English is too bad:
http://www.dh.gov.uk/Home/fs/en

how are the profit margins calculated? (Lowest earnings to highest earnings or +/- standard deviation)? Most of the pages of the US residency programs indicate annual salaries of around 40,000 USD (at least for pathology) in the first year! So if you consider the price level in the USA, working hours, the dollar rate, etc., at least initially not that much better than in Germany ... Yes, I also think the lower value in the USA is strangely high, especially if you consider how the interns are paid ...

thank you for this study - sometimes you really think about what the state thinks of something like that. The salaries have to be subsidized a lot more, because otherwise we will only train doctors in the future who will then go abroad anyway, because there is a lot more money and usually better conditions and here you stay at the cost of the training without sitting to "benefit" from what has been trained and then have to fly in people from abroad to employ them here. Which in turn means that the individual earns even less. You can only hold your head once more.

I don't have that much idea how it works abroad, but maybe you know.
Why, for example, are there so many vacant doctor's positions on offer in Sweden - do they train too little themselves? Is there just one acute shortage there at the moment? Sweden is a beautiful country and the women are even more beautiful - so why not. Learning a new language hasn't hurt anyone either.

@Thread creator:

Did you ever give your source? I would like to read a little more about it.

Hey!

It is no longer the case that the Swedes have jobs in excess, as they did a few years ago, in the larger cities it can sometimes be more difficult to get in; in the north there are still fewer problems. As far as the basic income is concerned, we are in German Nivå for Assis, FA a little better, OA, on the other hand, worse if you include the provatliquidation in Germany.
On the other hand, paying for night shifts is immensely better: in my case (Uniklinik Sthlm): ND weeks with 2-3 shifts per week (!) We work from 3 p.m. to 9 a.m. (week-E day: 8 a.m. to 6 p.m. & 5 p.m. to 9 a.m.) The time until 9 p.m. is paid with 100%, then between 9 p.m. & 7 a.m. with 200% (!), Friday 5 p.m.-Monday 7 a.m. also 200%. First, the working time account is balanced (i.e. 40 hours per working week), everything that goes beyond that, we get 30% as money & 70% as free time.
Oh & time clock is a matter of course ...
I think that is the big difference to D, that the toil at impossible times is adequately remunerated!

Kolya

@Thread creator:

Did you ever give your source? I would like to read a little more about it. The study is not available on the Internet, but an English colleague had the author email the study as a PDF file and forwarded it to me.

Unfortunately, the zipped file is too big (151.6 kByte, max. 151.2 kB allowed) to publish it here, but if you wish I could send it by email.

But please do not report everyone right away! : -oopss

Greetings (or "vänliga hälsningar"), Wolfgang

Why, for example, are there so many vacant doctor's positions on offer in Sweden - do they train too little themselves? Is there just one acute shortage there at the moment? In the past, the Swedes really did not train enough.

The state had artificially reduced the number of admissions and thus the number of students for years due to poor planning, because the actual need for doctors was completely underestimated. Politicians stop! :-(

Short-sightedness with regard to the need for doctors and the needs of doctors (subject of working time regulations and overtime compensation) is also known from Germany, but the Swedes have at least noticed their mistake and corrected it. But the long time when the number of students was too low is still noticeable at the moment.

However, the need for doctors is not the same in all disciplines. In general medicine and psychiatry, for example, there is (still) a shortage of doctors, in surgery or internal medicine, on the other hand, there are significantly fewer vacancies. Of course, that doesn't mean that things are hopeless in these subjects, just more difficult.

And if I am particularly interested in general medicine and, on the other hand, I really like Sweden as a country, why shouldn't I emigrate there? After all, the prospects for doctors in Germany have been deteriorating for years, and in the future it is likely to get worse rather than better.

It is not without reason that German politicians are constantly trying to make the population know that even now all doctors are stinkingly rich and earn too much. Because this makes it easier to implement further wage cuts and excessive bureaucracy (which are supposed to contribute to cost reductions). At the expense of the doctors, of course! :-(

Greetings, Wolfgang

Is there also a link? http://www.dh.gov.uk/Home/fs/en

Hello spleen,

Here are the links to a few representative pages on which the annual salaries for US residents (i.e. resident physicians) are listed:

Ortho (Ohio State): $ 39,816 + free palm (!) For the first year
http://www.ortho.ohio-state.edu/pod_residency/salaries-benefits.htm

General Practice: $ 38,590 in the first year
http://www.munsonhealthcare.org/munson/employment_volunteer/residency/administrative/residency_salary_benefits.php

And Neuro at the Harvard Medical School teaching hospitals:
$ 43,685 (consider the Boston prices !!!)
http://neuro-www.mgh.harvard.edu/residencyprog/app.htm

If you want to search further, simply google "Residency PGY-1 wage", or look at the web pages of the residency programs on the homepage of the hospital you are interested in ....

So I think the earning opportunities during the residency are not bad, but also not as exaggeratedly good as is always claimed. The working hours are significantly worse than in Germany, as far as I know, services are not paid extra and the cost of living is significantly higher. In addition, you have to pay health insurance, a home loan, the years abroad are missing in the German pension insurance and if you have children, school and (if you stay) the tuition fees later make poor.

I do not want to say that it is wrong to go to the USA, but from a financial point of view the advantages have to be put into perspective.

Best regards,
John

P.S. If you compare the individual subjects, unfortunately pathologists are among the poorer earning doctors in the USA too: -on the other hand

Nobody has ever said that you earn a lot in a residency. The big money comes afterwards. It is certainly a difficult way to get there and to be allowed to stay there.
I think Germany is doing so badly there because the data is from 2002, when the AIP was still in existence. I think he pulled the cut a bit. In spite of everything, the numbers are pathetic in my opinion and should not be nicely presented, especially in view of the workload. : - ((

... and if you look at the American residency salaries, you have to consider that these are all information BEFORE tax deduction. And, as JHS has already written, many other things are deducted from it. Then things look different, especially because the cost of living in the USA is, depending on the area, significantly higher than in Germany.
In addition, the residents work there for around 80-90 hours a week - without any free time compensation or financial support. So you don't have to spend so much money and maybe have a little more in your account after all :-)). The residency is a bit tougher when it comes to working hours and working conditions, if you compare it to Germany.
BUT, in the USA it is definitely over after 4-5 years (depending on which specialty you choose) and then the "real" money-making begins compared to Germany.

Test and eatingpigsbarf are of course right, my two postings only relate to the residency.

I would like to make two comments:

1. If you compare the German and American doctors, you should also consider that the American invested a few hundred kilodollars in his studies, which must first be paid back ...

2. As a German, if you think about going to the USA, you have to do the residency there, because the German specialist is not recognized. But if you do the residency in the USA, you are thrown out, unless you have married an American in the meantime (and had previously received a H1B and not J1 + ban) or otherwise received a green card ... or you take a less lucrative one Job at a state organization or in a "rural area" and then gets H1B regardless of the previous history.

Incidentally, I keep up my question as to how the profit margins posted by Gomer Schreck were calculated? Average initial salary to average maximum salary, or rather average salary plus / minus standard deviation. If the latter is the case, what is earned in the USA after the residency would have to be really perversely high, yes, downright astronomical !!!

Best regards,
John

As soon as he sends me the work, I will make it available on my web space, then everyone will have something of it.

The salaries after the residency are really very high. Here are a few vacancies in anesthesia, which incidentally do not belong to the top group of earners according to napr.org.
http://www.gaswork.org/cgi-bin/ipbltsrch.exe?ForumID=JOB4MD&IPro_ShowSummary=1

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