|Forum: "Lies and Abuse of Trust"|
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created: 21.11.2010 00:27:31 changed: 21.11.2010 00:27:56
Since no one has answered you at this point, I'll make an attempt, because I am also very bad at dealing with lies. And I'm also very unprofessional, namely offended and (at least for a time afterwards) also resentful and (I think justifiably) suspicious.
I can understand your wish to bring the matter up for discussion. But remember that as a teacher you should / have to stay on the factual level. In the case of personal grievances (that's how I feel in such a situation), I think that's rather difficult.
My suggestion: Do not tackle the topic alone, but with a colleague you trust who did not take part in the school trip.
The limits of any internet forum are always at least that we don't know each other. This is another reason why it makes sense to look for someone close to you who is familiar.
Then this person can also provide feedback when the course of the lesson slips onto the emotional level. And you can think about together in advance how to approach the topic so as not to harden the fronts in the first step.
In religion, for example, one could think about what / whether the commandment "You should not lie" has a meaning. But I'm not sure whether this will really appeal to kids at that age with the desired success.
There is also a film (which I unfortunately haven't seen), here the actor has to tell the truth for one day:
Maybe that would also be a hook. O.K., it's Jim Carrey - but maybe there's something serious in the movie after all.
created: 11/21/2010 4:12:25 PM
As a teacher, why shouldn't you be resentful? As long as you stay fair, I don't see that as a problem. My students know that they can get a lot (really a lot) from me. But if you annoy me, ... you get to feel it, there is service according to regulations, no accommodation, ...
They won't be any different in life after school, there are more severe consequences for their behavior. It is better to learn it now than later (e.g. if you are given notice, ...)
I speak (write) from experience, grew up in a family business. Anyone who makes mistakes (at least several for us) can leave.
In your case, I would be polite but aloof.
I've already had a similar situation - not that bad - the students then approached me (voluntarily!) And honestly apologized.
I told them beforehand what annoyed me and why. But then it is not discussed at all (it is a pity about the time - whoever has understood it sees his mistake, with the others it does not help anyway)
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created: 11/22/2010 5:22:17 PM
... to incur your anger on me. I would like to make the following comments:
1. The apple does not fall far from the tree, which means that the students are often used to this kind of "bending" the truth at home. Maybe they can't do that much with your definition of lies (there are many, believe me!)?
2. The little machos are often completely overwhelmed when it comes to showing remorse and apologizing. I deal with bigger machos who are just the same (and sometimes men, in very rare cases women too). It's just easier to turn around and walk than to see someone suffer because you may have screwed up yourself ...
3. The school trip is a special situation, mine sometimes screw up even though they really didn't want to.
4. My first school trips were always like this. When I got home, I had to sleep for two days, I was so exhausted. My husband already knew that but tolerated it.
5. I'm a little smarter now - I choose the quarters based on what is feasible and what is not, I design programs so that they cannot do too much crap - and sometimes I just close my eyes to avoid certain things see. The serenity helps to pursue other things all the more closely. The students - and with that I want to end my sermon - definitely didn't want to hurt you, they just had a certain idea of the journey. Maybe you forbade them to do something that they actually wanted to do, maybe for some it was a long-awaited break from everyday life - you can go overboard.
Don't take it personally, it wasn't addressed to you! at most to your instance as a teacher.
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